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Constitution class ortho (AU) by unusualsuspex Constitution class ortho (AU) by unusualsuspex
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Constitution class - Madman
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:icongromgorefiend:
Great pick and i do like the ship , and there been many alternate time lines in star trek worf got to experience a few lol.
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:icongrooseyg:
Good job recreating the ship in the movies.  It's a shame you had to work with such ugly source material, though.
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Agent-0013 Dec 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Don't get me wrong! I am a die hard fan of all things Star Trek! That being said, this version of the Enterprise looks way too "Art Deco" to me; and the size is like three times that of the original! 

If you see it like I do, you can almost pick out some of the Flash Gordon (as in the most recent movie) style! Those nacelles just don't fit the Star Trek style I have known and loved for more than 4 decades. 

I can live with it, but I don't have to like it!
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:iconkintaro164:
Hello beautiful!
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:icongenchang2112:
genchang2112 Dec 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
No such thing as "Real Star Trek".   The term is as oxymoronic as it is misplaced.  Star Trek means different things to different people.  For some, it is exploration and so-called "heady" ideals.  For others, it is action and space battles.   For others, it is the interpersonal relationships of the crew.  The list goes on.  But all Star Treks (even the Abrams takes) embrace these.

Folks can self-aggrandize all they want, and say that the new Star Treks are meant for the dull and mindless, just to make themselves feel better.  Reality check: Star Trek has been meant for the dull and mindless ever since 1966.  And this is coming from one who has followed Star Trek ever since he can remember (well over 40 years), and I am far above dull and mindless, as are many folks who do love Trek, like the wonderful folks here.  :)

This has inspired me to write about my renouncement of fandom in my journal.  Peruse if you dare.
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:icongalaxy1701d:
Well said.  I've recently started renouncing fandom as well - not the act of being a fan, but the act of having anything to do with the fandom community.  There are too many egotists who think they know "the truth" and don't hesitate to pass holy judgment on anything and anyone who disagrees, and they are way too quick to pull the trigger on the insults as well.  

This is why I have permanently tabled all discussion on these matters.  If you want to diss the new movies to me, you can go ahead and speak to the empty room - most of the anti-Abrams lot certainly seem to be the type who love the sound of their own voice - especially those who are over 25 years old.  I would certainly take great offense to anyone calling me "dull and mindless" - I already have a M.S. in biology and am currently in medical school pursuing a research project and finishing a M.H.S. in clinical laboratory science.

It's good to hear something like what you've just said coming from a veteran Trekker, one of the generation that we all respect most.
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genchang2112 Jan 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks. :)
Believe me, it is never stuff that is easy to say either.  I mean, I do come from a lot of fandoms, but a lot of what turns me away is the in-fighting, back-biting, and the judgmental attitudes.  

You know, this "True Fan" b.s.?  I mean, seriously.... I don't need my credentials checked at the door to say that I love Star Trek in all forms.  And if I mention that I love the JJ Abrams' stuff too, and I get told "well, you're not a 'TRUE FAN' of Star Trek then"?  That's all the more reason to simply say: "Well, with people like you, who needs to be a fan?"  (I ran into the same crap when I mentioned that I enjoyed the Star Wars prequel trilogy, the reinvented Battlestar Galactica, etc.)

Being a fan used to mean something really special to me.  It used to be a badge of honor...and statement of pride to say: "Yeah, I'm a fan!"   But now, that's been soiled by the judgmental fans who, as you say, think they know the "truth".  It's almost enough to make me want to invoke the words of one William Shatner in a famous (or infamous, depending on your POV) SNL skit from years ago. 

I have to say that if it hadn't been for fandoms, I wouldn't have met so many wonderful people, many of whom I call friends....but unfortunately, it almost seems lately as if fandoms are being overrun even more by the pricks who want to sit in ill-suited, cheaply bought judgment over those more flexible than themselves.

Some of those who do not like the new movies, I can respect their opinions, and we've had some meaningful discussions, even if we cannot convince the other of a point of view.  It's the ones who overvalue their own opinions, and mistake them for some form of "undeniable, immutable fact" that make me roll my eyes, throw up my hands, and dismiss fandom altogether.

I still like to go to ComicCons and fan conventions and such...but if someone says to me: "Oh, nice to meet another fan of (insert appropriate franchise here)."  My reply will be a very polite: "I'm not a fan.   I love (insert appropriate franchise here), but I'm not a fan."    That goes for all of the things I used to call myself a fan over.  (Star Trek, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, Babylon 5, RUSH, Pink Floyd, Harry Potter, etc....)

But hey, let's not further gum up this thread with our own bemoanings. :)  Unusualsuspex creates some awe-inspiring orthos, and whatever his tastes, whether they are favorable or not to whatever he posts up, he at least has a good sense of completionism that I can wholeheartedly respect.

Keep up the great work, UUS! :)

BTW, galaxy1701D, congratulations on your academic achievements. :)  That is a lot of time and effort well spent. :)
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:icongalaxy1701d:
Here's how to sum it up in one sentence.  This isn't fandom, this is Fundamentalism.  You spout the party line or you get burned.  I have studied fundamentalist political, religious and military movements - the Fascists, the Nazis, the KKK, militant Islam, Puritanism, etc. and this is exactly that kind of behavior: "we know the truth, so we shall shove our truth down your throats by any means, at any cost."  

To that, I say: nobody tells me how to enjoy my fandoms.  I will deny you the right to speak if you so much as try.

I guess it's kind of odd, because I am basically using tyrannical tactics against the (would-be) tyrants, but it's worked out well for me so far.  Also, thank you.  It's been a lot of extremely hard work and a lot of money, and I'm also aware that I have chosen a vocation that will take up much of my life outside of the daily grind.  That's the other main reason I have declared that I am "withdrawing" from fandom.

Never thought I'd hear myself say that it was "just a phase," but it seems like indeed, it was.

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genchang2112 Jan 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I can agree on so many levels!
That is exactly what it feels like: fundamentalism.

Or worse--- religion.  (Not saying I am atheist.  I'm a spiritualist.  But I've never liked "religion" because to me, religion means "social control", as I'm sure it does to many others, regardless of their beliefs.  I prefer to believe in my own way.  What's between me and God is between me and God.....just sayin'.) :)

But yes, any way you slice it, it's an attempt at a form of social control....it's dogma imposed by the self-righteous "true fans", and woe betide the so-called infidels and non-believers.

Fan comes from "fanatic"....and I just am not fanatical about anything anymore.  :)

And I can agree too about it being "just a phase", for fandom was certainly just a phase with me as well.
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:icongalaxy1701d:
Glad to know you and I, at least, see eye-to-eye.  For the most part, I prefer to stay away from all these "fiction-world problems."  I've done my time battling the "true believers" - I had been at it since 2009.  Nowadays, I've got more important things to worry about: like learning how to save real lives out in the real world. =P
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